Unbelievable
mid-morning on Sunday, the 11th of June 2006 by Chad
BBC NEWS has a comments area where people are talking about closing Guantamano’s prison camp.
All I have to say is, I find it hard to believe most of the people in the rest of the world are so mind numbingly stupid.
Yeah, people have a right to their own opinions. But no country in the world is more transparent about what it does than the US. And these people are running around believing the whole thing is almost a black helicopter operation.
Others can’t believe that suicides could be used as a military tactic, and it could only be caused by despair. I just have to say that tactic is working perfectly, since all these morons are doing exactly what was expected of them. “Close Gitmo because these peoples hearts are hurting, its not fair… waaaaah.” Hey fucknuts, these people practically invented suicide bombings. What disconnect is happening in your brain that you can’t put it together?
I would not be suprised if the group consisted of much more than the three people. That this was a perfectly calculated idea, with the three “winners” being honored to be selected. That they’re not celebrated by the others.
Either way, we are a little bit closer to closing Gitmo. We just need a lot more winners down there…
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June 12th, 2006 at 4:06 am
“I believe this was not an act of desperation, but an act of asymmetrical warfare waged against us.”
This is what the commander of the prison camp said. I couldn’t believe my eyes. I never read a more weird statement.
If you think about it, his logic is as follows: If you shoot somebody, it is an act of asymmetrical offensive against the shooter because the victim catched the bullet with his body.
Well, the people in the prison camp are trapped there for years now. Some were under 18 years as they arrived. They never saw a court room. Did you never ask yourself why? Do you really think this is right? Don’t you wonder that in fact the whole world says that this is wrong and against the law, even the allied UK government?
I’ve never been in such a situation. But I can imagine that it is the most desparate feeling one could possibly feel. For myself, I never really thought about suicide but being trapped somewhere with no help at all, with no future at all, I can imagine it would come to my mind. It was their only possibility to escape this torture.
June 12th, 2006 at 8:09 am
Yup, and as a normal, logical westernized person, who is not in a war against an enemy, I can imagine what you are saying.
But what everyone forgets is that this is not the case.
We had people in WWII captured for over 5 years in POW camps, tortured, humiliated, starved. How many suicides were there? There were over 130,000 US POWs captured by Japan and Germany. But the western mode of thought wasn’t to commit suicide to make Germany and Japan look bad. Didn’t need to.
This war, however, is truly a war of ideas, not of land and resources. The terrorist networks use the media as a tool of warfare. Sure, its happened before, but never to this level. They issue press releases!
There are ~500 terrorists in Gitmo. Most are in contact with eachother. Because they are still actively committing jihad, they do what they can. They’ve attacked their guards, etc.
But once again, these are the people who basically invented suicide bombing. Suicide while attacking the infidel is a martyr’s death. But rather than bombs to make their point, they’re using public opinion and the media to fool everyone.
And speaking of someone who has been to Iraq and the middle east, if that somehow gives me moral authority over someone who hasn’t, I have no problem at all believing that they plotted in secret, and the three chosen to commit suicide were praised by their comrades as heroes and martyrs.
June 12th, 2006 at 10:14 am
What “war” are you referring to? The so-called “clash of civilisations”? The Iraq war? I can’t see any war prisoners in Guantanamo. They are combattants, they have therefore absolutely no rights. This means they don’t have any contacts with their families or children (or a lawyer) since years. Every POW has such rights, human rights.
People who treat other people unmorally and unlawful have no excuses.
And your argument that these are people who invented suicide bombing is just a pure guessing since they never saw a court and therefore nobody knows why they are there. How could you know?
Moral authority? The US government simply lost it. Maybe not as they installed Guantanamo because the terror of 9/11 shocked everybody around the world and the global solidarity was great. But as they are still keeping former teenagers there for years without even naming any kind of crime. Not to speak of Abu Ghraib and Haditha.
They plotted? Yeah, maybe. And? Will they win the “media warfare” therefore? Not at all because US media is increasingly far from independent. No journalist there anymore who sees that suicide was the only and final way to cry for help? No wonder you found your link on a BBC site.